Who guitarist Pete Townshend says he used to break and fix his guitars four times a day.

In an appearance on Jimmy Fallon, Townshend said he’s never viewed the guitar as much more than an ordinary instrument.

He explained, “Young kids that buy their first really good guitar end up in a love relationship with it; I’ve never had that. I think a lot of people struggle to buy their first instruments and they build up a relationship with them.”

When asked what happened to his guitars after he’d smashed them, he said: “When we first came to New York, we did a thing called The Murray the K Show and we’d play four times a day. I only had one guitar, so I’d have to break it and fix it [by gluing it back together] four times a day.”